What’s the relation of the Drinking Giant to the Cradle River Giants? Is he one of them, or something else? What’s the keeper of Wisdom? Another giant?
Sorry, I’m new to Glorantha.
Nothing to be sorry about, Ben!
Back in the Old Days [pre-1990 Chaosium released two box sets about Pavis. One detailed the City itself and the second detailed the Big Rubble. In the City book, is the epic adventure of the Giant’s Cradle [Rune levels only need apply… and expect to lose more than one!].
As to the Drinking Giant’s Cauldron specifically, it is a Godtime Deed of Orlanth, who stole the Well of Wisdom from the Sea Gods [Magasta, etc.]
If Daliath is this Keeper of Wisdom, he/it is depicted in a rather strange way – as a mystic giant (similar to Vith or Sedenya in its divided coloring) rather than as one of the three primal sea gods. There is another deity epitheted Keeper of Wisdom in the Glorious ReAscent of Yelm, Asharthcha, the Keeper of the North (who helped destroy Umath, being destroyed himself in the act), and Entekosiad may offer other candidates who fit the pictography here, echoing in the Jernedeus of Dara Happa.
The Elder Giants do have an ancestral Lunar and Sea connection through their eldest mother Annilla, who also mothered the Blue Moon, according to the cult of Annilla in RQ3 Troll Gods. This Lunar connection isn’t that prominent in the imperial Lunar magic, although there are some connections.
So this is the third time the cauldron has been depicted in this comic, with its first two appearances in the mural in issue 71.
The cauldron appears to be made from hide spanned over a construction of poles (possibly a tripod) rather than metal. The entity identified here as Keeper of Wisdom is the same as the one holding the cauldron in the lower half of the mural, as the central of three figures.
Jörg, my immediate impression was, “a earlier-stye _ding_! a weirdly blank and plain _ding_!” and then, stopping and looking at it, thought that the way it was especially abstracted and generic-looking (given the luscious detail Kalin provides usually) was even better — the cauldron suddenly stood out to me as something ineffable and numinous.
But I like the ‘hide and frame’ tripod, too; doesn’t it feel more Praxish? Though I have no idea if it really should feel Praxish, for that matter.
To be honest, what was most striking on this page was the ‘Keeper of Wisdom’. It powerfully reminded me of my stubborn, huge, solitary cat Molly, at one of her random “Your skull is the only pillow for me — but I must first arrange it correctly” moments.
Now *THERE* is a double-edged compliment! ^_^
What’s the relation of the Drinking Giant to the Cradle River Giants? Is he one of them, or something else? What’s the keeper of Wisdom? Another giant?
Sorry, I’m new to Glorantha.
Nothing to be sorry about, Ben!
Back in the Old Days [pre-1990 Chaosium released two box sets about Pavis. One detailed the City itself and the second detailed the Big Rubble. In the City book, is the epic adventure of the Giant’s Cradle [Rune levels only need apply… and expect to lose more than one!].
As to the Drinking Giant’s Cauldron specifically, it is a Godtime Deed of Orlanth, who stole the Well of Wisdom from the Sea Gods [Magasta, etc.]
In the third panel, if the black figures are giants, are they destroying the God Learner outpost there during the Second Age?
If Daliath is this Keeper of Wisdom, he/it is depicted in a rather strange way – as a mystic giant (similar to Vith or Sedenya in its divided coloring) rather than as one of the three primal sea gods. There is another deity epitheted Keeper of Wisdom in the Glorious ReAscent of Yelm, Asharthcha, the Keeper of the North (who helped destroy Umath, being destroyed himself in the act), and Entekosiad may offer other candidates who fit the pictography here, echoing in the Jernedeus of Dara Happa.
The Elder Giants do have an ancestral Lunar and Sea connection through their eldest mother Annilla, who also mothered the Blue Moon, according to the cult of Annilla in RQ3 Troll Gods. This Lunar connection isn’t that prominent in the imperial Lunar magic, although there are some connections.
Where did Argrath’s shiny blue necklace go in the first panel? Did he get it later?
So this is the third time the cauldron has been depicted in this comic, with its first two appearances in the mural in issue 71.
The cauldron appears to be made from hide spanned over a construction of poles (possibly a tripod) rather than metal. The entity identified here as Keeper of Wisdom is the same as the one holding the cauldron in the lower half of the mural, as the central of three figures.
Jörg, my immediate impression was, “a earlier-stye _ding_! a weirdly blank and plain _ding_!” and then, stopping and looking at it, thought that the way it was especially abstracted and generic-looking (given the luscious detail Kalin provides usually) was even better — the cauldron suddenly stood out to me as something ineffable and numinous.
But I like the ‘hide and frame’ tripod, too; doesn’t it feel more Praxish? Though I have no idea if it really should feel Praxish, for that matter.
To be honest, what was most striking on this page was the ‘Keeper of Wisdom’. It powerfully reminded me of my stubborn, huge, solitary cat Molly, at one of her random “Your skull is the only pillow for me — but I must first arrange it correctly” moments.